next week or two weeks from now on april 3rd, santorum wins in places like wisconsin, indiana, oregon and romney keeps winning in the northeast, places like new jersey, new york, et cetera, maybe even california, but santorum wins texas. you do all of this stuff, matt, i have him -- we have him 50 short. now, could he get it in state conventions, and in other ways? he could. but that's the real challenge here for mitt romney. i say it's only a little better than 50/50. >> let me clear something up here, because there's some terminology being used here and i think it's being used almost interchangeably, yet i understand it to be very different. a brokered convention versus a contested convention. what's the difference? >> contested convention would essentially be, involve only the four candidates we have now. and they would be the only four brought up for nomination. and by the way, a rule clarification, if newt gingrich and ron paul, if they don't win five states each, their name can't basically be on that first ballot in tampa. it would only be romney and santorum. >> all right so co